My guess as to where the nexus of demonic activity in America is would be Wall Street: Speculation is the Mother of all Evil (Why Hobby Lobby is an abomination: An FLDS man was able to use the cases precedent to avoid questioning in a case involving possible child labor violations. I live in San Diego, and it seems that Calvary chapel is losing numbers; I think their kids are rebelling against their parents by embracing reformed theology and stricter gender roles. If the devil is responsible for bad architecture then all those churches in hideous metal buildings have alot to answer for Murder Rate:30 per 100,000 people If we are so afraid of demons, havent these demons become more significant than God? Incredible(gives a low whistle)I think Ive just stepped into the twilight zone. I have seen other fallen ministers gravitate toward charismatic circles. 15 Instead you ought to say, If the Lord wills, we will live and do this or that. 16 As it is, you boast in your arrogance. My Comment was Deleted Im still trying to get my head around the ARC, and how it might be different, as it seems to be the same ideas that have existed in the past, and are still in currency in some quarters. Maybe its all more about world domination than anything else. Because you have to vocalize the incantation EXACTLY right for the Spell to work. But yes, what you describe is disturbing infrastructure for what inevitably comes next. Highlands replied to us and issued the following statement: Church of the Highlands has a mission to help pastors and their families strengthen their marriage, ministry, and integrity. I have looked into the eyes of human evil. Better to just read for pleasure and enjoy if there are layers of meaning, they will likely appear, and that is (imo) meant to increase the readers pleasure. By the way, werent you or deb raised Russian Orthodox? Its Morris exporting his heresy to more than 200 countries and having those pastors (including the 4,000 he just taught in Texas) greedily implementing it like its a late night tv get rich quick scheme and not the holy scriptures. But since they believe Gfreemasonry is of the devil, well then (not making that up, either.). Morris also speaks regularly in Australia, Japan and the Philippines. That is one of my most favorite stories of all time. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. Doug Wilson and the crew at New St. Andrews in Moscow, ID are Reconstructionists, though they probably would prefer to leave that association behind and would style themselves as mere postmillennial liturgical reformers. What I saw was a dark region looming towards my position; I have excellent. They are the ones who are so afraid of every conceivable danger, no matter how unmeasurable or trivial it might be. Thus, if this church is causing Christians to be afraid of black magic, they are actually making them vulnerable to it, which ties in to the cult mind control aspects of this religion, and puts a wedge between them and a living and unqualified faith in the Gospel. Then they go back to being vague and misleading because it didnt work out so well. Baptists in particular specifically encourage their plants to use non-Baptisty names that often include fellowship or community or life in their title so they can appeal to a broader audience. I think the excesses of comp-ism may be an overreaction to some of the excesses of feminism, and the professional proponents push it because it sells with what Lydia said about the culture wars. The usual resolution is to redefine sex as Penetrator and Penetrated and focus all the hatred of breaking the taboo on the Penetrated, while the Penetrator is protected by privilege of rank. Iirc, the planets were still viewd as wandering stars (as opposed to actual stars) at the time. I first stated that I was in charge since Dad was dead and he had left me in charge. For another, the pastor of the church did not have this kind of power. I doubt donations even pay Owens salary. As an Old School D&Der during The Satanic Panic, I figure they were trying to shank the competition to their own RPG. Its just economically infeasible. They must not have read him too closely because he isnt all that complementarian in his other books, like sacred romance or the journey of desire. Orwells 1984 seems far too possible for my tastes. You will not be effective in spiritual warfare without thebaptism of the Holy Spirit as evidenced by tongues. Its really sad that they are making it so easy to ruin their centuries old churches all in the name of money. Just a thought if demons have genders..can you imagine if he found an effeminate male demon? Theres always a cost for doing something and a cost for doing nothing. They wont, but they should. Pastor Curtis Knapp, Kill them all. But then again, I am probably one of those super-spiritual people that COH warns you about. Allowing things in our homes that are demon inspired. Or for that matter why people would support them. At first because of my background and headiness, nothing really seemed to happen. In Nigeria, at least 50 people are killed in an attack at a Catholic church in Owo, Ondo State. Stop making me laugh. The Center was briefly mentioned atDream Team Nightlast August, butdetailed reportsare reserved exclusively for Legacy members, a top-tier level of financial contributors. I cant find any that do not have restrictions. These ARC churches are selling a false bill of goods while collecting staggering amounts of cash through their Cursed Life theology which ONLY works when all your subjects believe in demons and that all Christians can be possessed. But do you wear Comfortable Shoes(TM)? These countries ministry leaders are quite eager to be peddled the demoniac theology in order to help their congregants close the door to these demons attacking them and their children when they miss their 10% weekly tithe payment. Good luck and have fun! Scarier. If I am correct her father taught music at FWB BC, so I am thinking they may have insisted on a good music program at the church in Clayton, but of course I do not know. @ Headless Unicorn Guy: P.S. Otherwise, if no such time exists, I believe our guardian angels will stop automatically. A week prior to this, I was at his house and suddenly the hair on the back of my neck stood up and the thought this man is a pedophile came into my mind. Im one of those short-haired, no-makeup women. My flesh kind of likes that idea Pastor Dennis Leatherman. Poor misunderstood guy from the Great Tattooed NorthWest moves to the Bible Belt in search of a fresh start, and tries out spiritual jujitsu wax on wax off!! I no longer believe this. This churchs leaders seem to have entirely repudiated The Sermon On The Mount. Both churches are engaging in bizarre demon battling and miracle stage acts but they throw out the stalking horse of Non-Denominational Christian Church so unsuspecting, well-meaning folks will be drawn in under false pretext. The mosques of Istanbul are glorious, as are the mosques of Isfahan. 8:00, 9:45, 11:30 am, & 4:30 pm Central Time Zone. The whole thing sounds like they think they can control God. It has been confusing, as part of me hasnt wanted to believe that this is indeed the case. They also strip Baptist values out of their mission statements and hide the fact that they are funded by the NAMB. James 4 At worst, the practices turn out to be anti-biblical because they ignore other principles in Scriptures. Back in my youth the culture which I knew (white, middle class, non-pentecostal protestant) practiced something which had many of the characteristics of complementarianism, except not nearly as extreme. Highlands College is a biblical higher education institution that exists to supply the Church with leaders of competence, character, and spiritual maturity, holistically trained to lead lives of eternal impact by fulfilling David Hodges and Ashley Terkeurst Relationship. You see when her husband was out in the bush working with new church plants she led the service back at home. Thanks for your reply. I asked him what satan wanted, he said He wants me to kill myself. I thought that was probably correct. This s*** runs deep. No jewelry. 10/18/2021 1:22 AM. At which point I should have just hushed, but I didnt and I said so why are we wasting time on his writings if he does not explain himself so that anybody can understand him. In other news, I note that the para-church gathering in question is in an alternative Birmingham located in Aller Bammer. Because of what I was taught at home and in church, I felt like she could be raised from the dead. Dee, I think a post about this could be highly insightful to all. Persecution of the Anabaptists post dated him and is a black mark on German Lutheranism. It sounds a lot like what I was raised with in the Assemblies of God (Im an atheist now, fwiw). One of the best things to do is to ask lots and lots of questions. No telling what the actual building will cost. Hillsong in Sydney comes to mind. Then I will set up a trust with the money and do wonderful things to the glory of you know who. Finally, when I took a break for lunch, I looked at my news feed. Another commented that they support The Lodge concept if leadership attempts to make restitution with victims, report assault, and cooperate with authorities when applicable. He does have a sort of shallow view of gender in my perspective. On one other occasion when I was half asleep I saw a menacing claw like that of a spider coming at me, but in that case I believe it was a lingering nightmare or one of those hallucinations like the sound of people talking or of explosions that one hears while on the border between the waking and somnolescent states. @ brad/futuristguy: Bad business all around. Umm, i hate to tell you this, but what you suggest has likely already been tried by people who are involved in these kinds of groups. These prayers are written out in order to correctly pray in each situation. Id also note that Gateway Church has a business listing website, which I presume is for their members. I trust You! I have no skill at guessing at meanings or at anticipating what other people will think that I meant. Personally, I think this is not xtianity at all, but a different religion that uses some of the same names and words and book. Balaam heard directly from God too and was rebuked by his donkey. I mean,anything called prophetic twirling just has to be exactly what we all need. Im one of those short-haired, no-makeup women. The evidence of the Holy Spirit in your life is your ability tospeakin tongues. Women in charge instead of men. DEMONS! (or high paid pastors-hee hee). It made me ROTFL! I grew up in churches all into this stuff. Highlands replied to us and issued the following statement: , Church of the Highlands has a mission to help pastors and their families strengthen their marriage, ministry, and integrity. What Is The Color Of Your Religious Dreams? (TM), *) If you pursue the baptism in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of praying in tongues, your brain will challenge it because your mind cant understand it. But those elders who are sinning you are to REPROVE BEFORE EVERYONE, SO THAT THE OTHERS MAY TAKE WARNING. Is prophetic twirling like devilish dervishes or maybe prophesying with baton signals??? Jeffrey Wright and his wife first joined Church of the Highlands in 2008 with Pastor Chris Hodges as lead pastor. I admire the ones who admitted the practice at personal cost to themselves. I used to prefer wandering around barefoot or in sandals. I planned to to talk about this in the future. Just this is the first time Ive heard the term Ley Line in a Christianese context as opposed to Paranormal/Fringe/Occult. It should be observed that many people who are into the occult relish any contact with the otherworldly. Reference to a Robin Williams bit in Good Morning Vietnam that I cant find online. Very weird experience, which DOES have a feel of the paranormal. To deny the existence of evil is foolish, but equally, to deny that the vast majority of evil is stuff that is of human origin is, imo, equally shortsighted and true folly. He is anointed and has a call on his life. Ive been trying to understand why the reformed Baptists say they came back into power (my word not theirs) in the 90s. I have a problem. Its almost like Grimms fairy tale of the hare and the hedgehog. hahahahahaha Chris Hodges is founding and senior pastor of Church of the Highlands with campuses all across the state of Alabama. That is the name of Rousas Rushdoonys organization. I literally prayed Please stop this nightmare, or words to that effect, and woke up. Straw men all around. They are authoritarian, so perhaps in the future they might see fit to join forces. :o). relax and float downstream, Prayer on P.95). Well hey, I can see why people who had never seen a camera or any kind of sound recording machine (or much other high tech of earlier eras) were opposed to it, or frightened of it. Denny Burke used to be the CBMW guru. Josiah Tickell Worship Director Church of the Highlands | LinkedIn. chris hodges church of the highlands. Seven Days March 2022. Colorado Christian University, B. http://calvaryandmore.blogspot.com/2011/02/church-of-highlands-pastor-chris-hodges.html. After some really bad screw-ups in the past, Catholic procedure is to first refer to a doctor to check for physical medical conditions. The Church still believes Demons exist and Exorcisms work, but like all paranormal phenomena they are actually pretty rare; initial reports are much more likely to be unusual physical/medical conditions, so nowadays they first try to screen out those false alarms. This spiritual mapping is *garbage*. Im one of those short-haired, no-makeup women. I dont know how I know that, but I just do. You can demand that Godletyou speak in tongues. Just delurking to say thanks for all your research. Yes, in their view feminist equals matriarchy. Prayer (Numbers 14:18, James 3:9), (This is a belief that spirits involved inoccult practices can attach themselves to people and continue down throughthe ages. Are they linked to the Al Mohler / Mark Dever school of Dominionism? Also, many attenders come from other churches and were not previously unchurched. If its not about the money, why put satellites right down the street from a large, established church? Well, Otis is a scammer, too, so isnt it convenient? (Joke definition of Homophobia: The fear that another man will use you like you use a woman.). The rhetoric is just as bad as a small news outlet with the journalists who think they have all the answers. She continued to blog but never mentioned David Hodges again.20 Dec 2021. I thought an evil entity was sitting on me, trying to crush the breath out of my lungs. Basically, it is a character flaw. The most devoutly Christian country I know of is Ghana, and Ghanaian Christians have a very real belief in demons, and many are members of the church to protect them from the evil designs of Voudun practitioners. Ahhh, Birmingham. @ Headless Unicorn Guy: Every day I pray in the Spirit every day of my life. Their long track record of posoning, garroting, putting out eyes, dumping opponents in weighted sacks into the Bosphoros to drown (and much, much more sickening stuff along those lines) can be found in any decent history of the Byzantine Empire. Some questioned whether the goal to extend forgiveness and redemption to fallen leaders would result in The Lodge becoming a safe place to harbor and enable unrepentant sin. How do you prove they had it in the first place? Dont let scams get away with fraud. Not just technology; a lot of the world situation and general cultural shticks would also qualify. @ Haitch: Do not let anyone spoon feed you. Yet that is the effectual claim of this movement. It a sense it is like the drug dealer who creates or facilitates the addiction that requires ever-greater amounts of the drug for the addict to feel some relief from withdrawal. Seriously though, these people seem to be running a cult. Every. What Happened to David Hodges and Ashley Terkeurst [2022] What Happened to David Hodges and Ashley Terkeurst Love and marriage are solely as candy as they final. Demand something, honestly? Is there resistance to questioning the ARC 501(c)3 religious leader(s)? I must remember this for the future. Why is Guidepost Solutions now involved? (P.109), Loosing from Domination Prayer (Deuteronomy 23:2, 18:10-12, Galatians 5:20), (One can be subject to demons that come from living and dead relatives, friends, the UPS guy, etc. Yes. As far as Im concerned the Ezzos are babykillers. Didnt they confront the leaders for not defending the oppressed, poor, widows, and orphans? If they hate Me they will hate you, Fracturing a 1960s antiwar song. 18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. Yeah. The YRRs use biblical and feminist and culture as their well-poisoners, and these guys use super-spiritual persons with persuasive words. Dont listen to those awful feminist cultural capitulators who are super-spiritual because they are just trying to deceive you. In the mid- to late-1990s, I also was a consultant of sorts to people in the local strategic-level prayer network, doing some research, helping interpret symbols we saw locally that represented world religions, occult systems, etc. I think it lived there. Its all done in the name of numbers. Remember: if you see anything abnormal that freaks you out, say the name of the Lord, the Jesus Prayer, the Lords Prayer, or make the sign of the cross. https://www.al.com/news/2020/06/cancel-pastor-chris-hodges-church-of-the-highlands-faces-social-media-firestorm.html, https://www.amazon.com/Whats-Next-Chris-Hodges-audiobook/dp/B07JZF1YGF, https://www.linkedin.com/in/josiah-tickell-555499113, https://alabamanewscenter.com/2019/06/21/on-this-day-in-alabama-history-pastor-chris-hodges-of-church-of-the-highlands-was-born/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Highlands, https://www.al.com/life/2019/02/pastor-chris-hodges-sons-stage-takeover-at-carolina-megachurch.html, https://www.al.com/news/2020/06/church-of-the-highlands-pastor-not-the-same-chris-hodges-i-was-two-weeks-ago.html, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_by_number_of_members, https://www.forbes.com/2009/06/26/americas-biggest-megachurches-business-megachurches_slide.html, https://www.al.com/life/2021/05/spencer-turnbull-ex-bama-pitcher-who-threw-no-hitter-for-detroit-tigers-takes-romance-public.html, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_church_buildings, https://thelittlefacts.com/what-happened-to-david-hodges-and-ashley-terkeurst/, https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2021/11/26/lysa-terkeurst-husband/, Is property still a good investment UK 2021? . Oh, and I just put two and two together. Like dee has said, one of the biggest problems with compism is that its almost never clearly defined, but when it is by some brave ones, people see it for what it really is and have a negative reaction. Theres more, as you point out, but those two really jumped out at me for their goofy misunderstanding and misstatements of what the Bible actually says. Nick said something about Birmingham, UK. However, the authoritarian culture is difficult to shake off. The theories of practitioners of strategic-level warfare do not sound all that much different. And it was thought that lunar and solar eclipses were signs and portents, not normal events that happen in the course of things orbiting other things. Seems its not an uncommon phenomenon. One who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up. I think its a part of the YRR people. No, they said. Mohler says egalitarianism was totally in vogue in the 80s, Mohler is a master composer of narrative. I knew that I was the problem, and I came to a place where I was so hungry and desperate for God! Now here is my Orthodox take on their demonology: Demons cannot possess properly baptized Christians; the Orthodox Church would stress the protective benefits of chrismation, or confirmation as well. No, they said. Dont let scams get away with fraud. My friend on the phone could sense it as well. This is Super Crazy Train stuff, believe me! I receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit now, in Jesus name. I desire to go about doing good and healing all who are oppressed. 1. I count all things of satan as my enemies. Age is right. Your comment got me thinking. I very vaguely remember hearing about that a long time ago but didnt investigate it, thanks for reminding me. (They were also using Driscolls Real Marriage. There has to be a pecking order in their worldview. ), Father, I ask that I could experience Your presence and Your power as I never have before. He wants us to worship Him in spirit and in truth. What do they think the word truth means if not a right understanding of who God is. university of utah football recruiting 2022. david hodges ashley terkeurst Well let you take it from here! 1 Timothy 5:20-21. So glad David Platt converted to supporting the Cooperative Program. Watch Live in . 16. Here I am! All my Orthodox pastors have told me this is what you do when youre frightened. It just does not have the reach anymore. In all the darkness you must wade through in preparing an article, dont forget there is a light shining in the darkness and the darkness has not overcome it. He looks a bit too old on his site, but some people do not age well. Fwiw, those ex-YWAM connections in the D.C. area are something that fits into my own version of what we could call the spiritual paranoia narrative . James said all we have to do is resist the Devil and he will flee from us. I missed her terribly. As an SF litfan with minor in nuts-and-bolts Ufology, I was intrigued by the levitation report and asked How are they doing this?, Answer: Its DEMONS! this is an excellent summary the term xtian animism sums up most of it quite nicely. And look whos topping the list. David is a profoundly wonderful guy who has made a tremendous impact for the Body of Christ. The most successful church planters in history, the holy Apostles Paul, Peter and Thomas, were celibate, as were Gregory the Illuminator, Nino of Georgia, Frumentius, Cyril and Methodius, Patrick and Columba, Boniface, and in the new world, Junipero Sera (although his church plants were more slave labor camps than Christian missions) and Herman of Alaska. All big money churches must stress tithing as well as sacrificing above and beyond the normal tithe. Last Year's Rank:6. Ive read most of that book, it is pretty stereotypical, but thats the thing in conservative churches nowadays. How to Resign from a Church I dont think a church would have 20 lawyers on staff. What is Gateway hiding? (Then again, I was going through a lot of physical/neurological symptoms at the time that some attributed to Satan, when in actual fact they had very real, natural causes. Chris Hodges (born June 21, 1964) is the founder and senior pastor of the Church of the Highlands.. Hodges entered the ministry in 1984 as a youth pastor at Bethany World Prayer Center outside Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I think thats really insightful, Gram3. . . Too busy I suppose. Are they involved in a joint venture? So much of the extended system here is based on thin to no biblical evidences (a few passages about the Prince of Persia and Prince of Israel as demonic or angelic forces), and building a superstructure on a weak, abiblical infrastracture. You had better elaborate on that, as I havent noticed you had poor communication skills! Thank you for remembering that explanation. Both are co-founders of the Association of Related Churches (ARC). Your mind might say things like, Youre making that up. Or, Thats of the devil. But unless we want to be weak like Peter was when a little girl asked him if he knew Jesus, we will have to reject those carnal thoughts. However, there is truly too much to talk about. For every person that has been marginalized, rejected or belittled, abused or even afraid because of how God made you, Tammy and I, the Church of the Highlands family, stand with you. The Shepherding Movement also comes to mind. I do not think they are a benign and peaceable group of folks. Matt sings, or did. A nineteenth-century Hasidic teacher pit it his own way:The cry u uttered is the loudest. (Theres No Such Thing As A Free Lunch). They stand, not in testimony to demons, but in testimony to Christian communities which have is shown more interested in fog machines, expensive coffee, and stage designs reminiscent of an episode of Star Trek than in caring for the poor. For that matter, did anyone in the West realize that orbiting was something that could be applied to some of the things they saw in the sky? Oh Nancy, please film yourself doing this & post it here. Christ Health Center, which was founded by the church, had to stop doing free testing for COVID-19 that it had been doing at public housing communities in Birmingham.14 June 2020. Could you please assist me with pointing me to specific links that I can use to write about this? DEMONS! I dont. It seems to me that they are normalizing within a church environment what Benny HInn has been doing for years. Link to article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/09/AR2010070905154.html. It has since grown to become the biggest church in Alabama, with more than 20 campuses . Thatll play for a while! I disagree emphatically with ARC calling the Middle East a zone bereft of beautiful architecture or landscapes; the Nineveh Plains, the historic homeland of Assyrian Christians, Kurds and Yazidis in Iraq, is full of gorgeous landscapes and beautiful buildings, such as the Yazidi temple at Lalish. Just like The Occult, Except CHRISTIAN(TM)!? 4100 suspect meaning police. I had to call this out: Pentecostal demon karate! Theres an interesting article in the The Telegram out of St. Johns. THAT is an occupational hazard of any F&SF writer, especially in the Weird Fiction genres. Now the pendulum has swung back. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYRBwg_v5PI, Bonus: Going Down ?- Jeff Beck cover by Char @ Jeannette Altes: 1900 Monterey Drive, San Bruno, CA 94066. He couldnt speak or cry out. Thats a *big* difference between genuine religious institutions and cult-like of any kind (regardless of religion). According to his linked-in profile he was Chief Pilot at Diplomat Aviation Bahamas Ltd. And.on the website for Myles Munroes ministry they have a ministry division called Diplomat Aviation Division. While I dont object to husband and wife teams planting churches, it seems to me that in such a role, the wife is going to have to earn most of the money, not that theres anything wrong with that; if both work,full time on the church, unless they resort to unscrupulous techniques, it seems to me they wont have enough money for children, a house or other fixtures of domestic life. (Though if an experience can be explained either way, I usually go with sleep paralysis unless extraordinary evidence otherwise.) I think the future persecution will be more stealth and sinister. Oh my goodness, I found some info on people finders, and that is who it is. Ohh and fun the list of approved curriculum for small groups (Though if an experience can be explained either way, I usually go with sleep paralysis unless extraordinary evidence otherwise.). 1 Corinthians 14:18-19. During my time in-country, I encountered Pentecostals. Fooling 36,000 Texans is not the real concern. I wouldnt characterize the YRR as Dominionists or Reconstructionists or even Theonomists. @ Headless Unicorn Guy: I believe that some things in this document have been really misunderstood and painted in a negative light that really dont really negatively. But then I am but a simple soul. Log In. People love rules, roles and formulas. Thats my favourite film. Finally I had had enough and one day got pushed to the wall. Their father Chris spoke at the main campus of the North Carolina megachurch in what was billed on church social media as the Hodges Takeover at Freedom House Church in Charlotte. The tight connection between Seacoast Church (ARC) and the Ezzos is really puzzling. Additionally we have teaching on HOW to choose elders in the first place, in order to avoid later correction! : Birmingham (Dec 07, 2021) David was formerly college pastor at Church of the Highlands before taking a position as youth minister at Hillsong Church in Los Angeles in chris hodges, son 2020 Chris Hodges is the founding and senior pastor of Church of the Highlands. The devil desires to sift us like wheat and to destroy us. Nothing new here, just the usual truly Pentecostal church doings. MONEY: DaReligiou$MatrixMaters (TM) : Major 501(c)3 non-profit religious corporations engaging in proverbial cult practices need p-l-e-n-t-y of legal firepower. Ed has planted, revitalized, and pastored churches, trained pastors and church planters on six continents, holds two masters degrees and two doctorates, and has written dozens of articles and books. In response to Jefft I would observe in defense of Luther that he called for the killing of violent anarchists who were causing much looting and destruction. Its known as Sleep Paralysis.. Hodges' congregation, the Church of the Highlands, began meeting in 2001 in a local high school auditorium. We are not to be looking for signs and wonders; even Jesus was telling His disciples that the world looks for those things. By using the Easy Tithe System no more pesky demons for the faithful giving units at least for as long as your payments stay current. SO glad im out!!! *snort* It is shining, oh it is shining Fly over and drop some food. I dont know how true that is, but I think the flocks of young people running to comp-ism (I hate the word, its so cheesy) may give some validity to what hes saying. He told the story as though he were being singled out because of the great work that God was going to do through him. 10. Im interested in those with a science background who still back homeopathy. Though maybe true in San Diego?

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